Danish Cartoons Outrage

  Mar 20 2008  | Views 169 |  Comments  (22)
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  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

Dedicated to those of you quick to precede the terms terrorists or fanatics with Muslim or Islam.

http://www.thelogicgirl.com/2008/03/baba-ali-who-hijacked-islam.html






  bharatborn posted 5 mnths ago

Ms Logic, be at peace. learn to recognise your namesake when you see it. 



  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

You wrote: Silence of the majority of muslims for the unislamic acts of the terrorists (compd to loud demonstrations by muslims against a silly cartoon) would indeed be harmful in the long run".

Muslim religious leaders do speak out. But I (as many educated and thinking individuals) find it unneccesary because the people who engaged in terror acts, IMO, happen to be Muslims, and are NOT my religious leaders, much less my political representatives. They as much connected to me as they are to you. 

But I don't need to tell you this - after all, didn't a Gujerati leader who was implicated in ordering the massacres of Gujerati Muslims, get re-elected to office last year? Electing into office a murderer, and I didn't hear any Indian dismay or outcry. And the man is an Indian political representative. This was the same man who deemed by the US state dept as being unworthyto enter the country.

You wrote: "Cartoon is not only perception of reality. it is an exaggerated perception of reality by an individual. it is a caricature. if you are offended, ignore. or one can try go to court about it."

Demonstrations and the media publicity etc were necessary to highlight the issue. You wouldn't be aware of it ,if it was not done. When someone is offended, something is done to seek redress. I am not going to educate you on what has been (and is being done) In Denmark by Danish-Muslim citizens.

My little part is to write about it - it has been nice to see the genuine reactions of Hindus.

You wrote:" A rather crude method. but if the new immigrants can't bear to watch unclothed females, if they are offended by it, they might be perhaps better off seeking refuge in soudi arabia, pakistan, bangladesh etc etc etc."

That is really weak argument. It is sexist, racist and discriminatory. Period. It was a practice that was recently enacted, and as with all legislation, it is open to debate and repeals. And if you cannot figure out why, please enroll at your local university and take a course in politics and government 101.

Not a single one of you came forward with intelligent arguments. The Danes did a much better job arguing their point than the Indians here at Sulekha.



  bharatborn posted 5 mnths ago

Silence of the majority would be far worse in the long-run.
Indeed it would be. Silence of the majority of muslims for the unislamic acts of the terrorists (compd to loud demonstrations by muslims against a silly cartoon) would indeed be harmful in the long run.

Cartoon is not only perception of reality. it is an exaggerated perception of reality by an individual. it is a caricature. if you are offended, ignore. or one can try go to court about it.
 "Case in point, Denmark forces new immigrants to watch a video with unclothed females in it because they know it is offensive to Muslim sensibilities, just so they can force home the point that practicing Muslims are unwelcome in Denmark."
A rather crude method. but if the new immigrants can't bear to watch unclothed females, if they are offended by it, they might be perhaps better off seeking refuge in soudi arabia, pakistan, bangladesh etc etc etc.



  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

I brought the point about forcing new immigrants to watch videos (a Danish government requirement) with unclothed women in it to illustrate the absurdity of such a policy. Any self-respecting, free and independent woman, never mind their race or religion, should find such a policy offensive. I suggested trying that in America - the response (rather the backlash) would be swift.

Go figure how you missed that glaring point - this isn't about when in rome, do as the romans do, as you had implied in your first response.



  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

You wrote:  "was referring to the "new immigrants" you mentioned in the above quote from your article...they are there by their own choice and not by invitation from the Danes, Ma'am".

I preceded that sentence with this: The crux of the matter is that this is all about race and the blatant lack of respect accorded to Danish citizens who are not blonde or blue-eyed (bluntly said, but you know what I mean). Denmark has had to deal with its Muslim immigrants, especially with the younger generation of Muslims who were born and bred in Denmark, but who are now asserting their religious identity. The Danes are reluctant to accept the concept of multiculturalism as have successful multi-ethnic countries such as Singapore - why you have to ask them.



  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

You wrote: "It would be silly and foolish for an entire community of one billion people to react if muslims who respond to silly cartoons with bombs are called fanatical"

Silence of the majority would be far worse in the long-run.

I wrote in the blog:  Mr. Westergaard (the cartoonist) admitted openly that “cartoons always concentrate and simplify an idea and allow a quick impression that arouses some strong feeling".

What he did was not "fiction" - it was a statement on his perception of a reality.

Again read what I wrote:" Taken in that context, the bomb in the Prophet's turban, signified the Danes assertion that the Prophet taught Muslims to be a violent and murdering people - that violence is at the cornerstone of the religion. But anyone who has studied the religion would tell you differently.

In effect, the Danes were saying that all Muslims are inherently violent because of their faith. They were tarring all Muslims with the same brush".



  Logic Girl posted 5 mnths ago

"If that person offers you a gift, it becomes yours, only if you accept it...so also with an insult...it becomes yours only if you accept (in our MODERN context "react" is the word I am looking for)it......."

Tell it to the person with a Muslim sounding name who gets randomly selected for extra security checks each time he boards a plan, and tell that to the person who is prevented from flying because his name resembles someone on a list.



  LakshmiMukundan posted 5 mnths ago

 "Case in point, Denmark forces new immigrants to watch a video with unclothed females in it because they know it is offensive to Muslim sensibilities, just so they can force home the point that practicing Muslims are unwelcome in Denmark."

I was referring to the "new immigrants" you mentioned in the above quote from your article...they are there by their own choice and not by invitation from the Danes, Ma'am

Best regards

Lakshmi



  LakshmiMukundan posted 5 mnths ago

Frankly, this whole matter would have not even been particularly noticed by the rest of th world if it had not been made into such a big issue.....now the cartoonist must be rubbing his hands with glee for having the spotlight turned on himself.
Lord Buddha another great religious head (am not a Buddhist but accept wisdom in any form) said this to a person who came fuming and angry, complaining that somebody had insulted him:

"If that person offers you a gift, it becomes yours, only if you accept it...so also with an insult...it becomes yours only if you accept (in our MODERN context "react" is the word I am looking for)it......."

Faith is much stronger than a cartoon, in my humble opinion.....

Lakshmi





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